: And that's why you mute people ingame.
As I have stated, the mute button is not a good solution in my opinion. It only averts the toxicity in the chat, but people can still do whatever they want to you, run it down mid, reset your jungle camps whatsoever. And on top of that you wont be able to see what they write, and in my experience people talk so much shit behind your back if you mute them, like to the enemy team for example: "report caitlyn she is so bad", and you are sitting there having them muted, and no way of telling the enemy team that you just had a bad game. (This has happened to random people I have met in games).
chefff v2 (EUW)
: Too long, no one is gonna bother reading your rant dude :/
AF XpEll1 (EUW)
: The flaw is basically that even the rules of LoL say that you cannot defend yourself. I do understand this in some way, but why the heck are there less chat restrictions, no queue type which does not allow using the chat and so many perma bans for toxic behavior? I mean if someone is actually running it down 0/13 in a ranked game, they are not banned. How is this fair?
Because the system is flawed, in game actions are very hard to monitize, and therefore hard to punish as well. So if someone has a dilemma with you, he can literally go around using Syndra e on your jungle and reset your camps consecutively, but as soon as you type anything to him, or even beg him to stop, it can be counted as negativity and you are the one getting banned. Now I know that running it down mid is a thing, but some thing that most players tend to forget, is that people can have actual bad games, where they just feed and feed, they try their best, but they go 0 - 13 anyway, and in those cases I don´t feel like they deserve to be reported or punished, because there is a silver lining between feeding and INTENTIONAL feeding. Just my thoughts though ^^
CJXander (EUNE)
: Captain CJ on duty, and really sorry to cut your branches.... but! > if you reform yourself before February! (Riot games actually did something REALLY nice here, especially since it helps me out). So, yeah, that's the type of mentality i find the most disgusting "as long as it helps me, it is fine". While this action gives toxic people another chance to get rewards, basically somthing good for them, at the same time it is something really bad for myself. Since i have honor 5 and i refuse to believe the only difference between you and me is a chroma for a ward skin (i don't really care about the value of the rewards, but giving it out to people that broke the rules doesn't make it feel like a reward anymore for people that are nice for the sake of being nice). >I generally see myself as a non-toxic person, who never flames, intentionally feeds or anything like this, and I had honor level 4 to prove that. Since the release of the new honor system I actually reached honor level 4 in a very short amount of time High honor level doesn't necessarely mean you're not toxic, yet you are! >. I thought it was really funny, and didn´t really think much of it as being toxic, so I went ahead and copied him for my next game How about starting to be yourself and not copying somene's else personality? I'm personally getting really triggered when i see so much lack of personality in several individuals, copying behaviour but above everything copying names "Hi im Joe" "SKT Flamealot" "FNC BestYAsouEUNE". > Now I understand that maybe not everyone got the joke, but didn´t honestly think I would get banned for it, because after all, if someone thought it was fun, he could´ve muted me right? > By defending myself and my random teamates against flamers, I have been chat restricted a couple times during my almost 10 years of playing. Double standard much? So you think people should mute you if they don't like your joke or what you're saying? But at the same time you don't mute others if they say something you don't like, instead you're "Defending" someone else or yourself, ha! had a goog giggle. >When I say rarely this must be the likes of 1 game every 500th game, that I meet a person that pushes me over the edge. >On top of that I was only trying to defend myself against someone who is actually just raging for the heck of it, out of the blue. Again, you have expectations from people to mute you, but you don't mute instead, you're just listening like a fool and get pushed over the edge. DOUBLE STANDARD! >The rewards are based upon what your honor level is at the end of the season, not in between, not at the start, no at the end of the season. Because it doesn´t matter if you have been toxic throughout the entire year, and just decided to momentarily reform yourself just to get the free shit, am I right? NO! How can this even be logically explained? How can Riot games justify a system like this? I could litterally have been inting, flamed excessively, DDOS´ed other players, scripted on my account or WHATEVER, I could´ve been the most toxic degenerate piece of trash that league has ever seen. As long as my account didn´t get permanently banned, and I achieved to get honor 2 at november 12. (13.), then I would still get my free shit. But yeah I got a chat restriction because I defended my own honor against someone who excessively tried to put me down. Seems fair. Rewards are basically the SAME from honor 2 to 5 If you do anything over the edge "zero tolerance flaming", "DDOS", "SCRIPTING" and whatnot, you're getting a permanent ban. >Riot games says that the "bonus chance" is a one time only deal, because they do not condone toxic behaviour, even if it is just a chat restriction. The keywords being "one time deal". So, in what way does it logically make sense to go around the system this year, if they believe that is the right thing to do, but not the other years? If Riot games feel so strongly about their punishments shouldn´t they stick to it? To me it seems like they are bending their own morale to get their player base to like them more. This is where i agree, and where Riot did a big mistake giving out another chance to people that basically made my day harder. I said it on the original post, give one finger,they'll take the whole hand. They will ask for more second chances and they will use this against themselves. >I personally achieved honor level 4 throughout the very early release of the new honor system, I got chat restricted once (again for defending myself and others), and I have been struggling to get back to gain my honor back. I haven´t been punished for at least a year (I think), but have just barely been able to cling to honor level 2 at the end of the season, despite getting honored very often and people generally saying that I am a nice person and adding me to play again. (I will go more in-depth with why this is a design flaw now). Why do you keep mentioning this bloody honor 4? It is not a big deal, as long as you don't use the chat, you can get to 5, easily, automatically! Honor is not an indicator of how well manenered you are, it only shows you can keep your mouth shut during games. As a conclusion, i don't get the point of this thread, you're basically some dude that got punished, you're unhappy because you couldn't get the rewards at the end of season, you're unhappy because riot gave a second chance but you're somehow happy. You're unhappy with an irrelevant system that only punished people seem to have a problem with. {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
> So, yeah, that's the type of mentality i find the most disgusting "as long as it helps me, it is fine". While this action gives toxic people another chance to get rewards, basically somthing good for them, at the same time it is something really bad for myself. Since i have honor 5 and i refuse to believe the only difference between you and me is a chroma for a ward skin (i don't really care about the value of the rewards, but giving it out to people that broke the rules doesn't make it feel like a reward anymore for people that are nice for the sake of being nice). I said that it helps me out in a sarcastic way, I don´t really mind them helping me out, I just felt that it was funny how Riot games are telling people they have morale, but then cease any existence of it by giving people second chances. You talk about rulebreaking, but you are seeing everything in black and white. Let me explain it with a metaphor, if you got in a situation where someone is physically trying to abuse you, wouldn´t you defend yourself? I know that I would, and in the same sense, if someone is mentally abusing you in a game that is supposed to be fun, then yeah, the natural human response is to redirect and defend yourself. As a person I am able to apologize if I make bad plays, and I am generally really humble, I don´t initiate flaming and try to stick out for people who has bad games. But ofc in your optic that is toxic right? > High honor level doesn't necessarely mean you're not toxic, yet you are! I am a keyboard WARRIOR, I write in the chat all the time, so by your logic I litterally deserved to get honor level 4 back in the days, since I constantly write stuff in the chat, congratulate people on their plays, make jokes and create laughter, and by doing so still not getting reported enough to not get to honor level 4. As opposed to someone who doesn´t write anything just because he wants free stuff, and doesn´t want to take any chances. I feel like that is a disgusting way to look at a game where you are supposed to have fun with other people. That as long as you keep your mouth shut, you´re not toxic, but yeah you gave me a good giggle. > How about starting to be yourself and not copying somene's else personality? I'm personally getting really triggered when i see so much lack of personality in several individuals, copying behaviour but above everything copying names "Hi im Joe" "SKT Flamealot" "FNC BestYAsouEUNE". This is probably the most hillarious statement you have made, I AM myself 100 %, I found a joke online and I copied it ONCE, because I thought it was so funny that I would share it with others. And even though I copied it, it is still MY humor that comes to show, since I like that kind of humor. It´s like telling a friend a joke that you heard from someone else, nothing more. > Double standard much? So you think people should mute you if they don't like your joke or what you're saying? But at the same time you don't mute others if they say something you don't like, instead you're "Defending" someone else or yourself, ha! had a goog giggle. My point here was that I wasn´t doing anything toxic, maybe writing it 2-3 times could be considered spamming, I have no clue. But I wasn´t dedicating my hatred towards anyone, or flaming, or trashtalking. I was only having fun, making a joke, and nobody suffered from that. I wasn´t using swear words or anything, but still got punished for it. I don´t see how the mute button is a solution, but I will get on that later, but I was just quoting riot games logic, that the mute button is a thing, and in that sense, when I do something this non-toxic, that people get triggered from, they could´ve used that button to mute me. > Again, you have expectations from people to mute you, but you don't mute instead, you're just listening like a fool and get pushed over the edge. DOUBLE STANDARD! On the contrary, I actually get sad when people mute me, for whatever reason (that rarely happens though), I don´t feel like it´s a solution to just mute someone, and then proceed to play 30-60 minutes with that same person. The game is going to suffer even more from that, the way that I see it, and whatever the reason, that person still has all the capabilities in the world to "flame" you in different ways. Running it down midlane, or proceeding to steal your jungle camps, or something the likes of this, and the worst part is, that it can´t even be monitized. Also when you mute someone you lose your ability make an EDUCATED report after the game, if I report someone I want to be sure I get everything that, that person did wrong. I don´t want to report someone if I don´t know what they did, and that is probably the biggest reason I don´t mute people, and why I think the mute button is a flaw as well. > Rewards are basically the SAME from honor 2 to 5 If you do anything over the edge "zero tolerance flaming", "DDOS", "SCRIPTING" and whatnot, you're getting a permanent ban. Now this is only speculation, so I am not 100 % sure of what I am about to say, but from what I have heard, even the most severe crimes has been forgiven because the player showed great improvement on a different account maybe, I don´t know. But I have definitely heard of people being permabanned but then getting their accounts unbanned again. Tyler1 would be a good example of this, if it wasn´t for him having to create new accounts, so i guess that example is void. Another example I found on reddit, was a guy who got permabanned with his friends, for intentionally feeding excessively in a mutlitude of games, he wrote that his account got unbanned aftewards. But again, I can´t be sure. > This is where i agree, and where Riot did a big mistake giving out another chance to people that basically made my day harder. I said it on the original post, give one finger,they'll take the whole hand. They will ask for more second chances and they will use this against themselves. All I am saying is that I aggree with this, but of course it still makes me happy, I don´t feel like I deserve to lose 1 year worth of working towards the specified leagues that you must be in for the rewards. And there is probably other people like me, that I would feel the same way about. But then there are the actual toxic people, people who flame for the heck of it, people who would call you trash for having a bad game, or would start to talk shit about personal stuff about you, people who don´t care if they get punished. I also think that riot games should stick to what they believe in, as opposed to just giving in to the community just to keep maintaining their profit. > Why do you keep mentioning this bloody honor 4? It is not a big deal, as long as you don't use the chat, you can get to 5, easily, automatically! Honor is not an indicator of how well manenered you are, it only shows you can keep your mouth shut during games. As I mentioned I talk a lot in games, and as someone who talks a lot it´s actually an achievement to reach honor level 4. Now if you are right, and you should just keep your mouth shut during games, then what is the point of the chat anyway? Why not remove it all together? As a conclusion I will end up telling you how I feel about my punishment, since that seems to be your focus, although I only stated my own personal experiences for exemplary purposes. I feel that the crimes I did where of the lowest kind, I defended people who got flamed and trash-talked upon, and I tried maintaining a good and positive environment for my team. In general I would succeed to do so actually. I had 2 games of the last MANY games, where I didn´t succeed in doing so, and on top of that I had a REALLY really bad week and I let my personal issues get the better of me, and I lashed out. I know what I did was wrong, I know that instead of flaming back at someone, I should´ve kept my nose clean, but again we are only human after all, and I don´t believe for one second that there is a single player who hasn´t experienced losing his shit. I have a lot of patience, like a %%%%ton of patience, so it takes so much for me too lose my shit, but in those 2 games I did, and I deeply regret that. I do care about my honor level and I would be proud to get back in it, and I feel like I deserved to lose my honor from those 2 games. Oh, and by losing my honor, you lose the right to the regular free loot (keyfragments etc.), and that punishment is harsh, but fair. But taking what I have worked towards for an entire year, because I lost my shit in 2 games, that´s like giving the death penalty to a kid who accidentally stole candy from a store, it´s unfair and it is brutal. I don´t understand how you can logically cut people over with the same knife, and have such blind faith in a system, that obviously has so many flaws, when such a huge part of the community disregards it (And that´s not only the people who got their rewards taken, but also honor level 5 players as well). The point of the honor system and the punishment system, is to reform players, in my personal experience the system has done the opposite. I feel that if so little can be the course of you to lose everything, and that there is a zero-tolerance policy for mistakes, that then what the heck? Why even bother keeping all your burdened up rage behind the screen, why not just release it all into the chat. That´s how the system affected me, it turned someone who was mostly honorable, who almost never did anything wrong, except on rare occasions when other people pushed him over the edge, into someone who couldn´t care less, and by that the system has FAILED... me. Thank you for the imput, this is exactly the point of the thread that I made, to discuss the effectiveness and validation of the justice implements in league.
xFrosten (EUW)
: MAJOR design flaws in the reward system / honor level - A in-depth discussion
Oh yeah I actually forgot to add, that I got chat restricted the 13th of November, but my honor got unlocked again today (2 days after), and from what I have read this cant happen unless you are REALLY reforming. This shows how me getting a chat restriction is only because I had 2 heated games out of VERY MANY!
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: Looking for some tips on how to help my sister get a better understanding of LoL
Tell her to watch my stream www.twitch.tv/xfrosten Very educational kappa
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Nakoruru (EUNE)
: EUW only T_T ######?
I have an account on EUNE as well :D And whoever wins the giveaways will surely get their reward, then I will look at technicallities after :3
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: Way to poop on his party. Let him have some fun
Thanks for the support ^^ Well I don't suppose I draw the line of the phrase "one trick" as rough as this guy :)
Hydnoras (EUW)
: You are not a one trick. Lying to get views is not going to get you far.
So how does playing 1 game with Nautilus make me a non-onetrick? I am pretty sure that I can call myself a one trick, since I have 130 k mastery points on Rakan, which is by far, the highest I have on any champion. But yeah I like to spice it up a little, does that make me a criminal?
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: winning in Invasion?
Join us we are a couple of plats / diamonds that needs 2 players
Rismosch (EUW)
: You seem to be pretty proud about your 142 IQ
Nice dude, you seem pretty farfetched from the point of this message. I don´t imagine IQ helps with mechanics and such, but it definitely helps you analyze the different approaches there is in this gamemode, and analyze your mistakes. But really if all you got from the message I wrote is this, then go be EDGY somewhere else.
: All you do is cry. Better rely on your oh-so-high IQ {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
You salty that I talk about my IQ? 142 isn´t even that high, but it´s a little bit over average. My IQ wasn´t even the point, I just want to say that the last mission is impossible, and the other missions require you to be pretty good at the star guardian champions, and probably also a good player with a more than basic understanding of the game. Which I do not like, this event should be for everyone, solo players but teams alike, bronze players and diamonds alike. But Riot turned this event to a "oh you don´t have any friends, then f*** you" event. If you think that stating my opinion is "crying", then you better wake up, cause you are delusional.
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Q Ren (EUW)
: Then again,they're just 2 words wrote by some raging guy that you don't even know so why would you care that much about it honestly Lol.The only ones caring about it are oversensitive people that play the most toxic game ever so idk what do they expect, they either want to just argue with some trolls on the internet or are dumber than an ape. This game never was and never will be non toxic,it's just impossible.Posts like yours are pretty much pointless, do you really think that the guy that said that actually cares about it?And also they won't ban someone just because someone else made a post about them since that's what the report option is for in the game. Clearly just a waste of time lmao.
Then you misunderstand the reasoning behind this post. Of course toxicity will never be eliminated completely, league of legends has a HUGE playerbase, and therefore there are bound to be some black sheep among the flock, but what I hope to achieve with this post is to encourage disciplined behaviour, and trying to reach out to people that might otherwise reach the same level of toxicity as this example shows. A game completely clean of toxicity is a farfetched dream, but the least that could be done, is to remove those who clearly know no boundaries, as stated in this example. With a basic tool that cross-references the ingame and postgame chatlog for words like: "%%%" or "hang yourself" and such, would probably help a whole bunch in this matter.
Perilum (EUW)
: Nobody on the boards really cares about your tirade. Use the tools Riot gave you. We can't do anything for you.
Oh sorry, I thought this board was meant to be about player behaviour, if this is not a topic of player behaviour, then what is? You might not care about people telling others to commit suicide, but I do, and I am pretty sure that somewhere on these forums, there are people who do as well. And I use an anonymous example in this post, but that doesn't limit this post to this example. The point of this post, is to strongly advice people to not reach this level of toxic behaviour, it's not meant to punish one player only.
: > [{quoted}](name=Frosten,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oZENsV8o,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-13T15:47:57.561+0000) > > Of course riot can't see into the future, but I find it very hard to believe that someone like this hasn't reached the same kind of toxicity in previous games. He started the game off by telling another play to hang themselves, where I warned him that he could get reported for that. He didn't care at all, and moved on to being one of the most toxic players I've ever met. But you're right, I have no way of knowing for sure if he has been toxic before or not, so that's why I hope that this game will get a little more attention than the report feature has to offer. i browse the boards pretty often and from time to time there are players who are like mimi jumped to perma from nothing for flaming but it wasnt hard. if you wait long enough for them to post their logs you can see people getting instant permas for "k y s" and "f....got" and everything else that fits into this catergory
Aezander (EUW)
: If you have screenshots of the incident you describe, you can submit a ticket to Support, as an additional measure, if you want to.
Thanks :) Didn't know if that was allowed or not, but sadly I don't have a screenshot of the ingame chat :/
Q Ren (EUW)
: Another oversensitive guy acting all weak and fragile when someone tells them something they don't like.I agree with you to some extent but holy %%%% coming to the main site and doing a discussion about it is dumb af lmao
So you find that it's dumb to disencourage this level of toxic behaviour? To discourage suicide in general? If you find that I am weak and fragile for making this post, then so be it. But I think that awareness should be raised on this subject and that our community in general should be gravely disencouraged to behave in this level of toxic manner, and being toxic in general. And for your information it wasn't me he told to commit suicide, it was another player, but that's beyond the point, I think I have a duty to stand up for other players on my team, or on my enemys team, when I see someone behave unfairly towards them, so that's what I'm doing. Everybody can lose their shit sometimes, heck, I'm not perfect myself, but directly telling another player to kill themselves, that's a degree of toxicity that I find UNACCEPTABLE.
: > [{quoted}](name=Frosten,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oZENsV8o,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-13T15:34:31.255+0000) > > Well I did use the report function, but sometimes I feel like that isn't enough. But I really don't understand how someone can up front tell others to commit suicide, and still be allowed to play, I find that this is way more serious than just flaming in general. well riot cant see into the future and if he never said it before how should he be banned?
Of course riot can't see into the future, but I find it very hard to believe that someone like this hasn't reached the same kind of toxicity in previous games. He started the game off by telling another play to hang themselves, where I warned him that he could get reported for that. He didn't care at all, and moved on to being one of the most toxic players I've ever met. But you're right, I have no way of knowing for sure if he has been toxic before or not, so that's why I hope that this game will get a little more attention than the report feature has to offer.
: > So someone told another player to commit suicide in my latest game This is special? I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but. Welcome to the world of online gaming, where this is a daily occurrence.
This is special? So what you're saying is that our faith in the reporting feature is misplaced? That toxicity will go unpunished just because it's the internet, so people should be allowed to do what they want? I'm not saying it's special, but has reached a point of seriousness that shouldn't be allowed to wait.
Perilum (EUW)
: Use the report function in the post game screen.
Well I did use the report function, but sometimes I feel like that isn't enough. But I really don't understand how someone can up front tell others to commit suicide, and still be allowed to play, I find that this is way more serious than just flaming in general.
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