Èclair (EUNE)
: So you're saying that you have troubles with reading, eh?
i guess he doesnt like changes cuz he likes to be meta slave and noth new should be added :") i still think those dead items should be reworked so we can see them more often
: Mikeal's is situational, I build it occasionally but there are better options
yes but if they make it like it gives tenacity to ur adc and reduces slows and stuff , every support would buy it . they can jsut strike out that its a qss and make it gives tenacity to adc when u are closeby, isnt it a good idea ?
Unintended (EUNE)
: to be fair.. i somehow forgot that item exists.. if you want to supports build it more frequently, add 10% more heals and shields on top of current stats and it will be built in every single game, more than twice
ik, or maybe rework it cuz like no one buys it . its very rare i just think this item is really good if they make its use easier
Èclair (EUNE)
: > adc needs tenacity o help them get away from slows and stuns If this was true, we would see people running Mercury more often instead of Berserkers. But we don't. Tenacity is simply too minor for ADC that's get squashed by enemy nuker even with 25% CC reduction. It matters more when you're the one who's being kited as bruisers/tanks can sustain more than few seconds of CC. Squishes tend to die fast when hit by literally any initial spell from a nuker. >qss has a bit long cooldown where as chamops have their cc ability on 3 secs or 6 secs which means u are still goan be hit again and die even when u use it QSS CD: 90 seconds MC CD: 120 seconds {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} If it's not worth building QSS for the cleanse then by your logic going for MC is even the worse idea. I mean, if you're going to be hit by stuns each 3 seconds of combat _(wich is unreal, but let's just assume that for the sake of the argument)_ then both cleanse items won't help you much. Especially that QSS has the biggest advantage over MC and that is - you don't need to keep your support on a leash for him to be able to cleanse you when you get ambushed. With QSS you aren't dependant on your support to babysit you 24/7 when facing against single CC fed enemy. ___ > for eg if u are palying vayne. u need movement speed and attackspeed since she has low aa range and a gap closer, once u gap close u will get cc'd or slowed and there u reject the adc to do somth usefull ofc lategame vayne is op but still u get me cc is still a big problem for adc's they need to run or chase .. even when u play vayne top and get a nasus against u.. his w destroys vayne, u cant do shit against him (just an example I see... one coma and two multiple dots in this mess of a message. The situation you describe is too vage to even respond to that on top of your bias towards punctuation marks. But nethertheless I'll try. Most of the stuns are either projectiles or area of effects _(and if not, they are clearly telegraphed)_. The point of avoiding it is to either dodge the spell or, if avoiding is too much to be asked, getting cleanse in form of an item is far better than going for 5th offensive item. Yes, you would lose some stats but after all that free cleanse grants you probably few additional seconds or life or even lets you live through the teamfight in situation where you would die without it. So your overall damage is even higher. And I don't get why would support build for the toplaner. If you pick Vayne top, tough luck - in this case support has his own carry to protect. Not to mention that top is solo lane - you don't have support to lane with you so you need to get QSS if you really need cleanse, otherwise he'll bully you in the lane phase and you'll be useless. Bulding MC for 0/6 Vayne is pointless. > i think if this item gets reworked to making the adc have more tenacity where it helps the adc get lower cc durations . it would make adc a happier lane No, it wouldn't because options like Solari, AC and Redemption _(heck, even Zeke would be better than that)_ are far better itemization path for utility supports. You don't have enough slots to go for minor amount of tenacity for your carry. And if you really need CCR on ADC, get CCR boots.
cooldown of the item has noth to do with it , i clearly mentioned that im suggesting it to be an item that sticks to ur adc and gives them tanacity jsut like the knight's vow where u dont have to use it many times, just press it once on the person u wana give them tanacity and stay close to them. and vayne top is a thing and its a team game where the support needsto do their jobs in teamfights , im not talking just about laning phase. and if u wana sit here and disrespect my english skills, im not ready to listen to u. all i said that im suggseting somth that might be good or maybe bad. its jsut a suggestion adn u are raging on it. im nto here to fight i just gave my thought
Èclair (EUNE)
: I just replied to you with the answer to that. Feel free to adress that instead of flooding my inbox with pointless messages.
dont reply if u think its pointless, if u think its not a good idea say it and be quiet thnx for ur respinse and i want other people's ideas u just dont want adc to be a good lane lol
Èclair (EUNE)
: No. I said that there are better itemization options than MC.
so why they keep this item dead?, why dont they fix it and make it more usable by supports, tbh i think most supports dont buy it cuz they know they wont use it right every time
: completely agree with you, the carries should be the most mobile and tanks are here to catch that CC and protect the carries. tenancity would help protect the adc better and this may even help us out of the tank meta since tanks their heavy CC will be less usefull. the only problem will be that riot will have to make this new mikeal's gold efficient and I hope it will be a magic resist/health item because janna, lulu and soraka will be heavy meta again. burst champions will be better tehn the tanks mid to late game and tank supports will be the best to counter the burst champions and will be able to build this new mikeal's.
thats exactly my point it would help the gameplay alot, but maybe also have side effect which riot can for sure study and balance it
: honestly that would be a good idea, but in which situations would you buy it? 20% off hard CC wont matter much but it may be useful on soft CC. If your adc gets hit by a Morgana Q or an Elise stun the follow up will be hit since 20% off 2,5 seconds is still 2 seconds but an ignite or heavy slow which end 4 seconds earlier may help and since it wont be used to protect your adc from stuns it may indeed be a way better idea to add some tenacity.
exactly :p it helps the adc role u know
Èclair (EUNE)
: > thats why i think in bronze to gold or even plat elo supports barley buy this item No, that's because there's plentora of better choices that aren't as situational as Mikael. After they removed the heal and left only cleansing effect it became much weaker, especially that now it can be easily substituted with QSS. ADCs don't need tenacity. This stat is useful for tanks mostly to make kiting them harder with recuded duration of CCs. Usually if your ADC gets stunned that additional 25% recuded CC duration won't save them.
not really, almost 70 to 80% of champs have cc in this game and adc needs tenacity o help them get away from slows and stuns how can u say adc doesnot need atenacity andi qss is not always the best option because 1)u are wasting 1 slot whereu can buy somth more better than the qss and 2) qss has a bit long cooldown where as chamops have their cc ability on 3 secs or 6 secs which means u are still goan be hit again and die even when u use it . so thats like wasting my gold and itemslot. for eg if u are palying vayne. u need movement speed and attackspeed since she has low aa range and a gap closer, once u gap close u will get cc'd or slowed and there u reject the adc to do somth usefull ofc lategame vayne is op but still u get me cc is still a big problem for adc's they need to run or chase .. even when u play vayne top and get a nasus against u.. his w destroys vayne, u cant do shit against him (just an example) same for other adc's . i think if this item gets reworked to making the adc have more tenacity where it helps the adc get lower cc durations . it would make adc a happier lane
Cheini (EUNE)
: because it is a reactive item :p and, seldom is the adc the best target for the cleanse... now, think about it: can the sp know which player would be focused the most, or would need the dispell so to put his cc well, ie.. If you want a personal trinket (okok _denial of movement and action impairments_), buy qss - and leave the rest to the sp! Scenaro: Liss R - who would she preff, ww or the adc? Oh... that was, a mistake. it is good he reacted quickly (if he even understood he had a stun that is ;)), and with the slow immunity.. i bet she tasted well. xd
yes but usually the support uses it as a panic which causes the support to use it before the adc gets cc'd and which is less effective.
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how to send an email to riot support i didnt get u with the (to of the page you can find it) can u just give me a link so i can directly report it to riot
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